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A very early look at SEC East basketball for 2008-09

I thought I would take a minute today to take a look at the SEC as it is shaping up for next year.  We really don't know the full shape of all the teams with recruiting still going on, but with the available talent pool shrinking rapidly and with no really program-changing recruits left out there, I think we can safely start to make some early predictions about how the SEC will shape up next year, starting with the East.  I'll save Kentucky for last, after we have looked at all the other teams.

Just a few days ago, the picture in the SEC East looking largely the same for next year as it was this year, with the exception that almost every team appears to be headed for improvement.  But Tennessee was still looking like the team to beat despite the loss of senior scoring sensations JaJuan Smith and Chris Lofton as well as reserve Jordan Howell.  The Vols have a strong 2008 recruiting class headlined by Scotty Hopson coming in, and appeared headed for another top ten ranking.

But something happened on the way to Big Orange nirvana.  Duke Crews and Ramar Smith, Tennessee's prize recruits from the 2006 class and soon to be college juniors, were both dismissed from the team.  That changes everything, and now both Tennessee's front court and back court have lost substantial depth and experience.  In fact, the back court now has J.P. Prince and Josh Tabb as their most experienced players, and a very deep front court just became much less formidable with the loss of Crews.

Tennessee

Tennessee still looks like the team to beat, though, with a solid incoming freshman class and some quality players inside and out.  Even though the 2008-09 Tennessee team looked somewhat vulnerable in the area of scoring even with Crews and Smith, now they look a bit more vulnerable in terms of back court experience and rebounding.  Tennessee just made a significant move back toward the rest of the SEC East in terms of available talent and experience.

But with all that said, Tennessee has a very solid core of returning players.  Wayne Chism and Brian Williams and Tyler Smith make a very formidable and talented front court, and although depth at the big positions has been adversely affected with the loss of Crews.  Ramar Smith was also a very good rebounder for a guard, and rebounding was a big weakness of the Vols last year.  Big man Philip Jurick (also recruited by UK under coach Smith) should help out in that area.  But although Tennessee still looks like the leader even after recent events, their separation from the rest of the top competitors in the East has become significantly smaller.

Florida

Florida, on the other hand, continues to add pieces to their puzzle that will almost certainly have them competitive for the East next year.  The only player talking about leaving is Maurice Speights, and my money is on seeing Speights back in Gainesville next year.  Donovan has four Rivals 4-star incoming freshmen to supplement his relatively small and ineffective front line from last year.  That should make the Gators a much better team, and when you consider co-FOY Nick Calathes will surely be improved from last year, the Gators' prospects look very bright.  The Gators will still be very young, but their talent level will be among the highest in the SEC.

Florida is probably a year away from being a possible national top ten team again.  They have reloaded with a lot of talent, and if Calathes stays around past next year, the Gators will be poised to make another deep run into March.  But you never know what Donovan can accomplish with this much young talent.

Vanderbilt

Vanderbilt loses a total of 5 players to graduation, including SEC POY Shan Foster as well as major contributors Alex Gordon, Alan Metcalfe and Ross Neltner.  Returning will be Andrew Ogilvy, one of the best big men in the conference, along with skilled players Germaine Beal, Keegan Bell and Andre Walker.  In addition, the Commodores add three Rivals 4-star players, two on the wings and one in the post, and has a verbal commitment from former Kentucky recruit Brad Tinsley, a 4-star point guard out of Oregon.

Vanderbilt will be young and very thin in the post.  Ogilvy is a beast, but as we saw with Patrick Patterson last year, you have to be able to take him out of the game occasionally and still be competitive.  Vanderbilt does not appear to have that luxury next year, and although they have talent, they look too young and thin up front to compete for the SEC championship.

Georgia

Dennis Felton's amazing run through the SEC tournament probably saved his job, or at least serious discussion of a change at the top in Athens.  Georgia loses not only the great Sundiata Gaines, but also Dave Bliss, who was the force for the Bulldogs in the paint.  However, Georgia brings back a talented group of athletes, including Albert Jackson, a 6'10" post player who really came on strong at the end of the year, and Terrance Woodbury, a talented wing.  Add to that a strong recruiting class that includes Howard Thomkins, a Rivals 4-star who was very impressive in the Kentucky Derby Festival Classic, and Georgia figures to be a solid team next year.  I don't expect the Dawgs to seriously contend for the SEC East, but I think they are solid enough to play in the post season, and have a reasonable chance of going to the NCAA tournament for the second year in a row.

Felton's team is probably one year and a solid point guard away from being a threat in the East, but they have plenty of beef on the front line, some decent overall depth and some talented, athletic players coming in.

South Carolina

Western Kentucky's deep run in March got Darrin Horn on the big-school radar, and the Gamecocks snapped him up after the retirement of Dave Odom.  South Carolina loses the services of starting forward Dwayne Day, but returns the rest of his team including all-SEC performer Devan Downey.   Odom signed Darius Murrow earlier in the year, but he sought and was granted his release after Odom left, so it looks like the Gamecocks will enter the 2008-09 season with the same team as last year.

Darrin Horn learned college basketball under former Rick Pitino assistant Ralph Willard, and we expect to see a variant Pitino's fast-paced style at South Carolina next year, much as Horn employed at Western during his tenure there.  The Gamecocks are build for a high-possession offense, but their lack of rebounding and post play will likely make them an also-ran in the SEC race next year, and I don't see a post season in their immediate future until Horn begins recruiting better talent to Columbia.

Next, we will look at the SEC West, and then have a more detailed look at the Kentucky Wildcats, and how they are likely to fit into the SEC picture next year.

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I Think UK Wins SEC East In 2009
If healthy, Patterson and Meeks will be stars.

If he qualifies, Liggins will replace Jasper.

Miller will give UK a scoring option at WF to complement Harris' defense.

Stevenson will become a star(ter).

by FortyYearCatFan on May 4, 2008 12:11 PM EDT reply reply   0 recs

Qualifies?
I didn't realize that was a concern for Liggins

by bteam1502 on May 4, 2008 4:43 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Liggins
Liggins has not passed his eligibility exams yet.  This has been a major point in the media for quite some time.

by blueninja on May 4, 2008 4:54 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

If everyone plays...
...then I think you're right.

There are so many ifs, I really need some resolution.  I want to hear that Patterson and Meeks are going to have a full recovery from their surgeries, and that Liggins passed his test.  And some final word on Jasper one way or the other.  And of course I'd like to hear whether Williams is going to transfer and if so, what new player we're going to get (if we get one!)  So many things are up in the air this year!

I just hope we don't have the extended "adjustment period" we had last year.  Hopefully all the new players will buy in to the concept and work hard.  But you never know who is going to turn out to be an Alex Legion.

by EEWildcat on May 4, 2008 8:10 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

FortyYear
I love your optimism about 2008-2009.
My question is..Is Jasper really gone? There has been nothing from Coach about this. I have just read speculations on this board and elsewhere. I really hope he stays.

by kykat51 on May 4, 2008 4:32 PM EDT reply reply   0 recs

Nothing Official Yet
LOTS of speculation and Gillispie acknowledges that Jasper is "homesick" and that he is trying to convince him to stay.  IMO Jasper is as good as gone.  I would really be suprised if he stayed.

by kentuckygirl0724 on May 4, 2008 7:20 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I Don't Know About Jasper
But UK was 12-4 in SEC 2008 race with numerous injuries. A healthy UK in 2009 points to 14-2.

by FortyYearCatFan on May 4, 2008 7:26 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

So....
how long before we go undefeated from the first game all the way through to win the national championship??  ;)

by kentuckygirl0724 on May 4, 2008 7:54 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

UK Has Never Done That
But UK went undefeated vs SEC opponents in 2003. B4 that, it was 1952 (when UK was undefeated vs SEC).

by FortyYearCatFan on May 4, 2008 9:12 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

UCLA Did It 5 Times
1964, 1965, 1967, 1972, 1973.

IU did it in 1976.

http://www.sportsstats.com/jazzyj/past/divi.htm

UK came close in 1954. Undefeated but declined NCAA bid due to ineligibility of Hagan, Ramsey, and Lou T.

by FortyYearCatFan on May 5, 2008 4:01 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Now
that IS an impressive stat to possess.  Twice in back to back years - wow.

by kentuckygirl0724 on May 5, 2008 4:09 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Impressive
It is indeed impressive... but it is also in the timeframe where UCLA was winning 9 titles in 10 years or some such.

I was listening to The Joe B and Denny Show last week and Denny was talking about some of those UCLA teams where he was an assistant coach.  He said that when Bill Walton and his class of freshmen were on the JV team (freshmen were ineligible back then) they used to beat the Varsity routinely in scrimmages... that Varsity team then went on to win the national title.  Absolutely amazing.  (and completely off topic)

by chirop1 on May 5, 2008 5:15 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Not in 65...
...they were 28-2 (according to your linked site).  But the fact that they lost only 5 games between from 1967 to 1973 --  very impressive.

by bluenva on May 5, 2008 9:42 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

My Goof
Undefeated in 1964, 67, 72, 73 only. Not 1965.

by FortyYearCatFan on May 5, 2008 11:07 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Florida
I'm interested to see if Donovan can pull Florida together.  The Gators certainly will have the talent to match Kentucky.

However, I think we've got the right Billy.  8')

by EEWildcat on May 4, 2008 8:02 PM EDT reply reply   0 recs

I don't think Keegan Bell will be a Commodore....
next year.  I'm pretty sure he is leaving my fair city.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/wire?section=ncb&id=3322745

Not that it really matters anyway.

Go Cats!

I need a Sea of Blue because I am surrounded by Tennessee orange and Vandy gold!

by sleepytimetea on May 5, 2008 12:28 AM EDT reply reply   0 recs

Why I love this site
Insightful breakdown of the SEC East in May.  Ahhhhh.  This is what I enjoy.

by chirop1 on May 5, 2008 9:38 AM EDT reply reply   0 recs

jasper
IMO Jasper is going going gone.

I've heard that the reason for his leaving is less to do with homesickness than his knee. He wants to rest it for a year. IMO after rehabbing it so aggresively this season and coming back I dont know what a year off will do for him now but he wont get it at UK. Apparently he has also removed everything UK related from his facebook. I have no reliable "sources", this is just what I heard from my wife who is friends with him on facebook.

DEEETROIT BASKETBALLL!!!

by davw83 on May 5, 2008 10:36 AM EDT reply reply   0 recs

Jasper
As soon as Gillispie acknowledged the rumors publicly, I kinda figured he was gone for sure.

Damn shame.  The kid was quickly becoming one of my all-time favorite Wildcats.  He was certainly my favorite player on Tubby's last team and was up there with Joe, Ramel, and PPat on this year's team.

by chirop1 on May 5, 2008 11:11 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Jasper
I agree that Jasper leaving would be very sad indeed.  He is a great player.  I wish, however, that he would go on and say (either way) so that if he is going to leave, we can go ahead and make arrangements for his scholly.  (That may sound harsh, but life does go on.)

by kentuckygirl0724 on May 5, 2008 12:01 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Pearl
I do not like Bruce Pearl.  Anyone who has read much of what I have written knows this, but I will say that I have a certain amount of respect for him for his actions regarding the renegades within the UT basketball program.

Dismissing 3 major contributors in less than two years is not something a lot of coaches would have done.  I know he has a strong class coming in, but regardless, color me surprised.  Now if only his football counterpart would follow suit ...  

by Ken Howlett on May 6, 2008 12:02 AM EDT reply reply   0 recs

Pearl Is Like That
But he is an excellent basketball coach, setting that aside.

I don't like him because he lied about Illinois recruiting (of Deon Thomas) when he was at Iowa 20 years ago. Once a liar, always that.

by FortyYearCatFan on May 6, 2008 7:07 AM EDT reply reply   0 recs

Pearl
I dont like him becuase he is brash and annoying.

I thank god that he is not our coach.

nuff said.

DEEETROIT BASKETBALLL!!!

by davw83 on May 6, 2008 12:29 PM EDT reply reply   0 recs


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