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Tabloid Tipton article taken down?

Tipton is a negative ninny.  We know this.  But there are limits, and he may well have exceeded them with a recent article.

Matt Jones and some people over at TCP and around the Big Blue Nation have laid eyes on a Jerry Tipton article about Dusty Mills getting kicked off the team that painted Billy Gillispie in a very negative light.  That article, as of this moment, is not anywhere on the Herald-Leader's pages, but it can still be read here.  However, following the breadcrumbs leads to a blank page.

Perhaps it's just an oversight or a programming error by the IT staff over at the H-L, who knows?  As to the substance of the article, it paints Billy Gillispie as essentially a dominating liar who won't even consider reason for one second, just his own private power trip.  It is disturbing in the extreme.

I won't pretend to know what happened here.  Kids tell tall tales, especially kids who feel they were wronged.  But in my opinion, this article requires some kind of response from the coaching staff.  Nobody can tell Gillispie how to run his team, but this is one of those unfortunate things that can't be pushed under the rug.  It directly impugns Gillispie's character in a way that will be used against Kentucky by other programs, and casts the University in a poor light.

There is no way Tipton should have printed this article without doing more legwork.  This, in my opinion, is tabloid reporting at its worst, giving only one side of the story and doing so in such a way as to tarnish the reputation of the Kentucky coach.  It is shameful, and disturbing.  Unfortunately, it now requires an explanation from either Tipton or Gillispie or both.  I don't want to make a mountain out of a molehill, but the mole that made this one must have been of the Jurassic Park variety.

Update [2008-2-20 10:15:53 by Truzenzuzex]::  John Clay just emailed me and assured me that this article has not been pulled.  It is apparently now where it is supposed to be.

John also said that Tipton did do his legwork on the article, and Gillispie just chose a limited reponse.  Unfortunately, given all this, we must all draw our own conclusions, at least for now.

My conclusion is this:  Gillispie looks like a bully.  No frills, just the way I see it, and if this is all we get, it lowers my opinion of Gillispie significantly.

I'm all about supporting our coach, but the latin proverb goes, "Qui tacet consentire videtur."  He who is silent is understood to consent.  So be it.  My opinion of Tipton is also significantly lower.  The article, however well researched, is written from such a one-sided perspective that it has the look and feel of a political hit piece.  Burying comments from the coach under a fusillade of incriminating quotes from Mills is just unacceptable.

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Sounds Fake
This article sounds so fake!  It seems very unlikely that they would actually get these kind of quotes from Gillispie about this situation.  As much as he has kept things private and unexplained, why would he open up so much on an issue that actually has a reason to be private.

I don't know...... seems fishy to me.

by blueninja on Feb 20, 2008 8:58 AM EST   0 recs

And Bradley
I would think as a senior, Bradley would not be throwing quotes out there on such an internal matter.. especially one that goes against his coach.

by blueninja on Feb 20, 2008 9:00 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

Tabloid Tipton
Tipton always seems to portray UK in some kind of negative slant. But he should've talked with BCG and get the story straight before proceeding with this story.
"They had it before you, they had it during you, they'll have it when you're gone." -Al Maguire on Kentucky basketball tradition

by rick64 on Feb 20, 2008 9:10 AM EST   0 recs

How could this be?
Someone please tell me this isn't so. We absolutely can't handle any more negativity or another distraction for this team.  I surely hope it's a fake story. How do you check a story like this? Is Gillispie this kind of man? I realize that he is the authority for who is on the team and who isn't, but this sounds so bad. I have supported him from the beginning even though this team has broken my heart more than once this season. Please can someone in the know investigate this and report back. Remember that old Willie Nelson song that says "the last thing I needed the first thing this morning...".

by bluegrassgal on Feb 20, 2008 9:18 AM EST   0 recs

It isn't fake ...
although it may have been withdrawn, but if so, they did a lousy job.

I agree that this looks bad, but the article is so one-sided that it constitutes virtual fiction.  My experience is that there is always way more to it than one young man would ever tell, and to bury any possible explanation or rebuttal in an avalanche of accusations is a smear worthy of a political party.

Tipton should be disciplined for this, IMHO.  It was wrong, and nobody can convince me otherwise.  He is entitled to his opinion, but this is simply a hit piece that belongs in the opinion section instead of being reported as news.

by Truzenzuzex on Feb 20, 2008 9:29 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

I'd rather know
What if the story is true?  Would it be worth writing then?

At some points, bullies need to be reigned in.  And I think the press is a very necessary check and balance against what is basically a dictatorship.  Of course these are really trivial matters in the grand scheme of things, whether a walk-on basketball player gets yelled at and booted from the team for making jokes at inappropriate times.  Sticks and stones and all that.  But the check is still needed in our little microcosm.

That said, if Gillespie really did verbally abuse the kid, I'm very disappointed by his behavior.  That's just not the kind of example we need to be setting for our youth.  If he just let a swear word fly here or there and it's just being blown out of proportion...  I say no big deal.

I think the best thing to do is just take this with a grain of salt and file it away.  If these reports start to really accumulate (I'd say we have one from Mills, Legion, and perhaps Benson now), it becomes definitely something to look into further.

by EEWildcat on Feb 20, 2008 10:59 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

Good points.
I can't really take it with a grain of salt, but I can certainly forgive Gillispie for his transgression of ethics, if that's what it was.

Still, it is disconcerting.  It isn't good for the program, but hopefully it won't be repeated.

by Truzenzuzex on Feb 20, 2008 11:03 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

HUH?
Im not quite sure what to think on this one. I would be very disappointed in G if the story is true but I personally never trust a Jerry Tipton story so until something else comes to light I wont know what to think.
DEEETROIT BASKETBALLL!!!

by davw83 on Feb 20, 2008 9:18 AM EST   0 recs

Ummm?
Maybe I'm missing something here...He didn't like a walk-on's behavior so he kicked him off the team.  That's it in a nutshell right?  He didn't hit him, he gave him a tongue lashing.   What is the big deal? Is everyone in a tizzy because he used <gasp> Profanity?

Add the fact that its a Tipton story and I don't get it.

by sylvar on Feb 20, 2008 9:58 AM EST   0 recs

Anyone ...
who refuses to listen to the explanation of another, especially in a position of power, is a bully, pure and simple.  Such behavior is not acceptable.  It is unethical.

He had a right to kick Mills off the team because he didn't comb his hair right, as far as I am concerned.  But refusing to give the kid a chance to defend his actions, bitching him out the way he was alleged to have done, and using profanity and then lying about that factto Tipton is wrong, looks bad on Gillispe and looks damn bad on the University.

Bottom line -- if this is how he handles the least of players, who would want to trust him with their children's future?  How you treat the little guy speaks volumes about your character, and this does not speak well of Gillispies, if true as written.  It is fait accompli that he would not treat a scholarship player this way, despite several past assurances that he treats everyone the same.

by Truzenzuzex on Feb 20, 2008 10:23 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

You first complain of a lack of objectivity...
..and now it seems you are being less than objective.

Silence can also say that this truly was a non issue and he gives two craps about what a kid wants to go say. Do you seriously think BCG is a saint? Have you been to games close enough to the bench to hear him (or Ricky P, or Billy D, or 90% of coaches) More often than not, it is advisable to not respond or even acknowledge an attack like this in the media.

I choose to look at what Tip was able to give us in, however thin, objectivity:

  1. - BCG left the door open (which could be as Mills paints it that he wanted to make....OOOOO....an example of him, OR did he know something about this kid and wanted to make sure there were witnesses to the firing as I would do at my company)
  2. -  BCG invited him to go to the press
  3. - That short but VERY telling exchange with the high school coach who basically described a borderline A.D.D. class clown that doesn't pay attention, distracts others and can give disrespectful signals to a coach. Say, maybe Dicky Lyons should have been brought in to work with him. Oh, that's right, HE IS A WALK-ON living on borrowed time anyway. If a walk-on is poisoning the well of guys we the tax payers are supporting then he must go.
IMHO: the open door and the invitation to go tell his story was a brilliant fist strike in what BCG new would be a hard kid/spin to control after the deed, but he needed to be off the team. Add in the high school coach's comment and you are free to paint any picture you want to Tipton's article and I would NEVER out right defend a Tipton article. If BCG owes an apology at all, it is for letting his emotions choose the time and place of the actual deed. As with employees, by the time you actually fire them, you have absolutely no use for them and/or their explanation. If the kid new he was on the hot seat a few weeks ago then THAT was his chance to prove he should stay or go not a verbal pleading of his case as the axe fell. Everyone in prison claims they are innocent.

If Alex Legion's neg-press has blown over then this walk-on will too. If the words of a "Profit" were fleshed out to be BS I think BCG can weather this storm.

If BCG has a pair big enough to actually be a "real" hardass then so be it. The results will be grand. Kick more off if you want Billy. Looks like you are over recruiting anyway so you need the chairs and sneakers. Also, Mills may just have a real nugget to carry with him as he grows up and hits the job world.

Not worried.

by wilson452 on Feb 20, 2008 10:47 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

VERY
good points!  

by kentuckygirl0724 on Feb 20, 2008 10:58 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

Good comment ...
Objectivity is not the issue.  I am just asking Tipton for balance, not objectivity.  Objectivity is a mirage, and anyone who believes they can objectively analyze anything in which they have a rooting interest is simply mistaken.

If Gillispie is playing mind games with Mills, that's fine, but personally, I find it an unsavory game.

I don't ask that our coach be a saint, and I don't take the word of Mills as objective fact.  What I am saying is that, absent a meaningful response from Gillispie, I can't just discount what Mills says because he is young and because his former high school coach says he is sometimes a cut-up.  That would be just as jaded as the alternative.

The biggest problem I have with this is the likelihood that Gillispie lied to Tipton.  As you say, we don't pay Coach to be a saint, and we know perfectly well that 90% of college coaches use salty language to their charges.  So Gillispie expects us to just take his word against Mills much more detailed account that he didn't swear during a tirade like that?  I was born at night, but not last night.

So why dissemble?  Why not give, or leak, more of a complete account of what happened?  It doesn't add up to me.

By the way, the ends don't always justify the means.  Let's not fall into that trap.  There is more to being a coach than just on-court success.  If you want detail, just ask Bobby Knight.

by Truzenzuzex on Feb 20, 2008 10:58 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

Well...
...a tit for tat exchange in the press from a University in an effort to squash this story with the magnitude of UK could be a disaster. I am not sure I would advise them to say or do anything until it is asked about at the next regular press conference and then a simple comment like "...it is over, Mills is a good kid. I don't mean to be too hard or tough but I take my job and playing for the University of Kentucky very seriously and if that caused me to offend Mills personally I am sorry."

Any other timed response and the amount of guns that may be needed to successfully satisfy what seems like a very rooted feeling you now have and many may have, could easily end up with "Big bad UK destroying the confidence and reputation of a KID!" because the paperwork, coaches statements etc. could be shot out in rapid fire if needed. If we "ran off a coach for being black" then what would make you think this would not blow this up to national attention.

If what Mills said is 100% true then BCG was 100% false. The middle may be where it sits and to get that out in detail would absolutely embarrass Mills and his family. This incident just may have a nugget for BCG to carry with him too as he continues to learn the off-court trappings of being UK's coach and he and Mitch can hash that out in private, where the Mills story was until Mills went to the press.

Tru, I am not willing to trade on-court success for off-court shame but I am not sure where playing an issue like this out in detail, in public eye is best for Mills, BCG, UK, us or anyone. As of now I am sure that all of the lessons to learn for those actually involved have been set in their minds regardless of statements made in the press.

For the heck of it, another point to take from the article - telling Mills to take his complaint to some other small school could be taken as BCG's disrespect for Mills OR Mills' disrespect for playing at UK and BCG was tired of it. Either way, don't paint his lack of natural basketball skill or being a walk-on as he is weak or small. If this were a star and being a distraction the BBN would be all over him and saying BCG did the right thing no matter what. Uof L would still want Character on the team but that is their deal.

I just happen to see this as a small story between a coach and player and now a PR nightmare for UK. I am glad I do not have that account today. My biggest worry is where to eat lunch.

by wilson452 on Feb 20, 2008 11:48 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

Your recommendation ...
for a response is first rate.  You should be in public relations or something. :-) (yes, I know you are, just kidding).

I agree that Mills' story is unlikely to be 100% true.  Eyewitnesses are the least reliable in criminal trials, even eyewitnesses who are the object of the offense.  In my opinion, the only part of Gillispie's comment that was false was his denial about swearing -- I don't believe him.

It is probably not a huge thing, but it is a concern for me.  I don't want the coach of my favorite team treating kids like this, even if he deserved it.  It isn't necessary to berate someone you are punishing with dismissal.  The dismissal says all that needs to be said.  If you don't want to hear his defense, just send him packing or refuse to speak to him.  Verbally bludgeoning someone you intend to or have dismiss[ed] serves no purpose.

I'm not all that worried about it, and I can certainly forgive him for it.  It just isn't a positive development, and I think it was bad behavior by the coach.  But we are all guilty of bad behavior occasionally, aren't we?  I know I am, and my wife makes sure I hear about it.

:-)

Wives are often like that.

by Truzenzuzex on Feb 20, 2008 12:55 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Careful, Tru. . .
. . .you're wandering close to sounding like our friend Billy Reed when he said he was "owed" an explanation for the rumors that were circulating.  Just sayin'. . .
C! A! T! S! CATS! CATS! CATS!

by NYCCats on Feb 20, 2008 11:05 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

Well ...
that's not quite the same thing now, is it?  Billy Reed was trading in rumors.  This, my friend, is anything but.

We have the word of a young man who was most assuredly there, and we have crickets from the accused, as well as a very likely lie.

Big difference.

by Truzenzuzex on Feb 20, 2008 11:24 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

Two sides to every story..........
...for now, Coach does not want to comment.....not sure why this surprises anyone...Coach is not your every day kind of coach.....I would say that most of it is probably true.....there is some thought over at KentuckyInk threads that Dusty's story was not as "brutal" as reported to Tipton.  So, it is what it is.....moving on....

by Chuck Alexinis on Feb 20, 2008 6:44 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Consider, though,. . .
. . . that this could have simply been the proverbial "last straw."  Even his high school coach describes Mills as "squirrely" - if there was a history of cutting up, generally being a distraction, etc., the GA game may have simply been the catalyst for getting rid of him.  The explanation that Mills could have offered for this one incident would then be irrelevant - who knows how many times he's addressed this type of behavior before?  It would be completely unfair to judge BCG based on the story told by one player who is clearly not objective in the matter.  He may not be lying, but we all remember the parts of a conversation/situation we want to, especially if we come out on the short end of the stick.
C! A! T! S! CATS! CATS! CATS!

by NYCCats on Feb 20, 2008 10:43 AM EST   0 recs

That helps some...
I am so upset by this story.  I LOVE Billy G and have been a HUGE supporter for him - defending him countless times to the "Billy Bashers."  I have such high hopes of Coach Gillispie's success here with UK.  To even think of him in this very unflattering light is so hard for me.  I so hope that Coach Gillispie - or someone (ANYONE) - will say something that shows the "other side" of this terrible story.

by kentuckygirl0724 on Feb 20, 2008 10:53 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

One question...
Who's Dusty Mills?

by chirop1 on Feb 20, 2008 10:56 AM EST   0 recs

The victory cigar ...
that we have been unable to smoke all year.

:-)

by Truzenzuzex on Feb 20, 2008 11:00 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

He is. . .
. . .Cameron's illegitimate son (born when Cameron was in the 7th grade).  It was a big scandal at the time, but got swept under the rug by Pitino.
C! A! T! S! CATS! CATS! CATS!

by NYCCats on Feb 20, 2008 11:03 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

Really....
 Now lets take a step back here.  I think you are making a big leap of faith in believing that this came out of the blue.  That all this came about as the result of a single incident.  I don't happen to believe that.  

Now, lets try to look objectively at this as you seem to be pretty fired up over this.   Bully...that's a pretty strong word.  Was Rupp a bully?  Or Pitino?  Seems to me they would be by your definition...As would Coach Brooks.    To say that being a demanding leader is somehow makes you incapable of being trusted with someone's children...Again, very strong language.  Where would the Marine Corp be without demanding leadership?

Is your main issue the fact that Dusty claims he didn't get a chance to explain himself?  With all the publicity around his making the team I saw more than one quote in the media that made it clear that he had to toe the line to stay on the team ("Walk-ons are day to day", "I have a zero tolerance policy with walk-ons"  and such)...I am sure it was even clearer to him.    Let me give an example.   I have had to release people who where hired on a 90 day probation period...most times that's just awkward, but calm...it didn't work out.  But sometimes a constant barrage of minor infractions explodes in the face of a larger one...not a major infraction mind you..one that would have normally just gotten a reprimand.   Does that make me a Bully?  I don't think so...the ground rules were laid... I didn't need to hear the excuses.  

I wish I had the time right now to flesh out my thoughts on this, but I don't.  I just hope you can understand where I am coming from on this topic.

by sylvar on Feb 20, 2008 11:05 AM EST   0 recs

I have no idea ...
about Rupp or Pitino.  I don't recall Pitino ever being accused of abusing someone the way that Mills described Gillispie's tirade.  If he did, then he is welcome to a piece of my disapproval as well, and Adolph Rupp can have some if he did similar.  Brooks?  Never heard of him doing such a thing.  Have you?

None of those worthies has anything to do with the instant case, anyway.  Leaders do not do what Mills described.  But absent any other facts, we can only draw conclusions that require Mills to be dishonest or simply misremembering the events.  I rather doubt the latter, and I also doubt the former.

I have two main issues -- One is that Mills was allegedly simply abused by Gillispie, both verbally and psychologically.  That's wrong, no matter what.  Whether he had granted him an explanation or not is a symptom of the problem, not the problem itself.  The second is that Gillispie denied using harsh language, and Mills explicitly refuted that.  I would bet my entire checking account that Mills was accurate on that account.  In my mind, that diminishes Gillispie's credibility and enhances Mills'.

Let me ask you this -- have you ever berated an employee, and in the process, refused to allow him/her an opportunity to defend his/her actions and then fired them?  I seriously doubt it, to your credit.  A "zero tolerance" policy does not give a person the right to abuse a subordinate who fails that policy, ever.  Gillispie was well within his right to dismiss him, and I have no truck with that whatsoever.  It was how it was done, and the dissembling afterward, that make me unhappy.
 

by Truzenzuzex on Feb 20, 2008 11:20 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

Other coachs
Rupp's tirades are legendary...surely you have heard about those.  His ability to string explicatives together was supposedly second to none according to the interviews of former players I have read.  There was one story about Larry Conely  taking a particularly vicious reaming.

I was on campus while Pitino was there...Had an inside buddy at the time. This was 90 - 91.  I heard plenty of tales about how hard Pitino could be on the guys... He was never one to watch his language, but he was more of a mind game player from what I could tell..... Hell,  OTS wasn't exactly known for being Mr. Nice Guy as a coach.  Remember all the whining you would here about Tubby breaking out the "glare" on somebody.

As for Papa Brooks, All I can rely on is interviews with former players.  Much like Rupp, they say they have the utmost respect for him, but get on his bad side and you'll get a new orifice.  I could read lips well enough during this last season to know he has a broad vocabulary as well.

by sylvar on Feb 20, 2008 8:03 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Rupp, Life Ain't Fair
I was there the night Bob Tallent yelled back at Adolf Rupp. One little yell and he was gone. That's life. Dusty has learned two valuable life lessons. Life ain't fair and don't mess with the boss. He did and he got fired.
Laughing on the bench when someone is hurt or when you're losing by forty is not acceptable to Gillispie. Excuses don't matter. Earlier in the year Bradley and Crawford were benched for the first half of a game. They sat there and laughed while the team was losing. They're still on the team. Life ain't fair. Better players get more slack. Gillispie sent a message, nonsense will not be tolerated, at least not by the Dusty Mills of the world. Life ain't fair.

by 58Fan on Feb 21, 2008 5:01 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Tabloid Tru
You certainly put a lot of effort into this site, but I think I'm done following the drama.  You've gone from ripping Tipton to basically being a champion for his "story".  I'm sure you've done all the appropriate legwork right?  You got BCGs side, right?  I like the site for the news links but you now seems you like more drama than the esteemed Jerry Tipton.  

You really should stick to what you're good at, which is exhaustive statistical analysis and posting links.  At least KSR is still free.

by funkadelic on Feb 20, 2008 11:08 AM EST   0 recs

That
was a little much. (just my opinion, ofcourse)

by kentuckygirl0724 on Feb 20, 2008 11:17 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

Your opinion ...
has been duly noted, cataloged and ...

REEEEEJected!  Just kidding.  Thanks for reading.

:-)

by Truzenzuzex on Feb 20, 2008 11:22 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

WOW Hold on..
...This is EXACTLY what ASoB does best. Real conversations about EVERYTHING UK and not just stats.

Tru has opinions and he lets them out. We all pile on of back them up.

Do you have anythign to add to the conversation of just a rip of the site and Tru?

by wilson452 on Feb 20, 2008 12:05 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

What is the big deal?
Billy G kicked a kid off of the team for laughing while the team leader was on the floor with a concussion - and caught doing so on tv.  Moreover, from the sounds of the HS coach this was most likely NOT the first, or even second or third time something like this has happened.  When I coached hockey last year there were certainly kids that I wished I could kick off the team by the end of the year because they were a constant distraction; it looks like Billy G found a very good reason to kick someone off the team whom he probably wanted off for some time now.  And for all motherly figures (and I am not trying to be gender specific) that are sad that Dusty was cussed at and yelled at during his dismissal while not being given a chance to defend himself, maybe some perspective is needed.  Let's consider a practice, or even better yet a game.  If a player on our team makes a really, really stupid pass at a critical point in the game - what do you think is going to happen?  Either on the bench or in the dressing room, the player is likely going to be yelled at and cussed and.  Moreover, if the player talks back to coach, he will most certainly be put in his place (could you imagine a tv camera catching Ramel trying to talk back to coach on the sideline after being told he made a bad play?)  Great, so almost everyone that is a fan of basketball is okay with yelling and cussing and not talking back to the coach as long as it has to do with performance - but laughing when the season hangs in the balance as one of your 'brothers' and team leaders is out for the count on the floor - that is something for which getting in trouble for is not acceptable.  Keep being a hard ass Billy!

by cdnWildcatfan on Feb 20, 2008 11:18 AM EST   0 recs

Worried
Things like this have worried me for some time. I was hoping we were over the hump and we could focus on basketball. I was told early on that off the court issues could very well be the downfall of BCG. It would seem such a shame.

On a positive note JB Holmes meets Tiger in the Accenture World Match Play. Tee time is 2:02 on the Golf Channel. Coverage begins at 2:00. Good luck JB.

by modcpa on Feb 20, 2008 11:21 AM EST   0 recs

I don't get the finger wagging
I think this is a tempest in a teapot. Tru, I am frankly surprised that you think this is a big deal. What is this, summer camp, kumbaya time? No, it's top-level NCAA basketball and the coach is the CEO. I don't understand the hand-wringing at all.

by olddoc on Feb 20, 2008 11:29 AM EST   0 recs

dead on
My point exactly!

by cdnWildcatfan on Feb 20, 2008 11:36 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

Fair enough ...
it's a big deal to me.  

CEO's don't do this to people, otherwise they wind up as a defendant in a lawsuit.  As I have said more than once, Gillispie owes his charges more respect than he allegedly gave to Mills, regardless of their status.  Second, I think Gillispie lied.  I don't like lies.  Lying about little things make me wonder about the big ones.  Gratuitous lies are the worst.

Maybe you don't care.  That is certainly and unquestionably your right.  I do.

by Truzenzuzex on Feb 20, 2008 12:45 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

true enough about lying
he did lie - and that does bother me.  BUT, do you think there was at least some chance that this whole thing would be a much bigger deal if ESPN got their hands on a quote, or worse yet video footage, of Billy G pretty much saying 'thats right, I cussed the kid out.'  As much as I truly despise lying, this is a lie I can deal with.  It is certainly a gratuitous lie that fools nobody, but it is also what most people want, and expect, to hear.

by cdnWildcatfan on Feb 20, 2008 4:49 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Bunk ...
..Tru, have to say this is a bit much for you.

The kid is part of the team, and we have no idea is this is infraction number 213 or number one, and something tells me the coach is hardly going to go to such lengths for a single issue.

And even if he did, playing for the Cats is a priviledge, as even Mills acknowledges.

Tipton gets major raspberries for telling this the way he did, and it only adds to the growing and increasingly accurate, it would seem, impression that he is at heart a journalistic antagonist, whose desire to stir the pot exceeds his desire to do his job, which is report on the team.

If he was reporting on the team, he'd report the facts, not add so many colorful frills.

Frankly, I have to agree with olddoc ... not sure why this is even remotely an issue, be it a walk on or a star senior.

So Billy G is "hard-nosed" when it's Crawford, but he's a "bully" when it's a non-playing walk-on?

Can't have it both ways.

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by JL Blue on Feb 20, 2008 11:37 AM EST   0 recs

All you say ...
may be true.  The bottom line is, if the affair went as described, it was bad behavior and a poor example by the coach.  I don't care how "hard nosed" a person is.  There is a modicum of respect we owe to our subordinates, and that respect, absent some evidence to the contrary, seems to have been absent in Gillispie's tirade.  With that said, maybe he was just having a bad day, I don't know.  But I am confident he lied about not swearing to Tipton, and that is also bad behavior and serves no purpose.  It looks like a gratuitous lie employing a "Why tell the truth when a lie will do" attitude.  My experience with people in a position of authority who do that has not been positive.

A walk-on Mills may be have been, and a privilege it may be, but that doesn't excuse bad behavior on the part of the coach.  He should know better.  He should do better.  And as he is in the public fishbowl at Kentucky, I expect better, or at least something more than what he gave.  It looks as if I won't be getting that.  Fine, I'll forgive him and move on, and hope we never have to have this discussion again.

I haven't tried to have it both ways.  I have no idea how Gillispie has treated Crawford, only the word of others that he has been tougher on him than Smith apparently was.  Did that include a rude, abusive dismissal from the team without a chance to defend himself?  I'm thinking not.

by Truzenzuzex on Feb 20, 2008 12:42 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Insult to Injury
The big difference to me is, when you've already kicked someone off the team, that's punishment enough.  There's no reason to verbally abuse the kid (if that is what really happened).

It's one thing if you're being tough because they are undisciplined and need it, and breaking someone down so you can build them back up later.  It's another thing to destroy someone as you're kicking them out, with no chance of building them back up.

To me, "you're not taking the game seriously and you're dragging the team down with you.  You're cut.  Goodbye." gets the message across just as well.

by EEWildcat on Feb 20, 2008 1:52 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Agreed.
Kicking someone off the team has the finality of the death penalty.  You don't drub the corpse after it's dead, no matter how bad it's former inhabitant was.

by Truzenzuzex on Feb 20, 2008 1:57 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

My point above...
When I asked "Who's Dusty Mills?" was kind of two-fold.  1) No one outside of the closely following fans have heard of him and 2) The whole issue is a non-starter.  Why Tipton found it worthy of space on the internet and why Tru found it worthy of discussion here I'll never know.

We've all played sports and been yelled at.  We've all worked for demanding bosses who were less than cordial.  Those of us who are in supervisory positions have all had to fire people, and when we did... they didn't need to explain themselves.

I have no concern about why Gillispie dropped the kid or how.  As long as he keeps winning ball games without a whiff of NCAA scandal, I'm okay with how he runs the program.  If that means booting a non-contributor who may have been a distraction, then I'm certainly alright with that.

by chirop1 on Feb 20, 2008 11:39 AM EST   0 recs

........I can see this point.....
Coach has a plan....and it is more than just one game....he has to maintain control and be consistent.  I am hearing that this was the last straw as this was not just one issue.  

by Chuck Alexinis on Feb 20, 2008 6:48 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

The problem here is...
We only have 1 side of the story.

Of course, the argument moves to that side. In experience, the truth is almost always somewhere in the middle. And if so, it's (almost) a non-issue, IMO.

by Clandestine on Feb 20, 2008 11:40 AM EST   0 recs

BCG a Bully?
I suggest you seek an investigation of the dismissal.  You will serve UK better to find out early if you have a Matt Doherty on your hands rather than to find out later.  Doherty's dysfunctional personality really screwed our (UNC) program, players, parents and fans. We went 8-20 after his abusive treatment ran off an AA player and two, other important starters.  And the core of our 2005 NCAA championship team was talking about transferring if Doherty did not go.

Best of luck.  I hope BCG is not the a$$hole the article suggests.

by Ford Prefect on Feb 20, 2008 11:57 AM EST   0 recs

And while we're at it
Let's investigate whether wearing Carolina blue actually makes one a mama's boy incapable of hearing criticism. . . or if that's just a coincidence.
C! A! T! S! CATS! CATS! CATS!

by NYCCats on Feb 20, 2008 12:07 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

He may be an a$$hole ...
but he is OUR a$$hole.  His transgression is troubling to me, but certainly forgivable.  I hardly think an investigation is necessary.

I have no idea about Doherty, just as I don't know what Rupp or Pitino or Brooks do to their players.

If this is symptomatic of some sort of "dysfunctional personality," there will certainly be more reports than just this one.  I am not standing in judgment here, except with respect to the instant case.  Maybe he had a bad day, or maybe the kid had been given 25 chances against Gillispie's better judgment.  But because Coach has decided not to enlighten us, we must draw conclusions with what we have.

My conclusion is that it was bad behavior, hopefully a one-time thing.  It's ugly, but it doesn't look that serious in the larger context.  After the firestorm dies down, I'm inclined to forget about it and move on.

by Truzenzuzex on Feb 20, 2008 12:29 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Transgression?
You don't even know if there was a transgression.  Move on...

by BeatUL on Feb 20, 2008 12:55 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

You move on.
This is my damn blog.

:-/

by Truzenzuzex on Feb 20, 2008 12:57 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

UNC
Do UNC fans debate about Roy's '05 championship with Matt's players like we do about Tubby and Pitino's kids?

by TrickyD26 on Feb 20, 2008 5:47 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Doherty
I heard and read all the articles on Doherty. I tend to like and admire those type of coaches, but it's becoming very difficult to run a major program with an iron hand, and a quick tongue. Players today are too pampered. They aren't used to being on the business end of a tongue lashing.

There is something to be said for adapting, though. A coach has to recognize this fact, and possibly reevaluate his/her technique.

Comparing Gillispie to Doherty though, is veeeeeeery premature. Gillispie has been a head coach of for 6 years now, and there has not been an incident in those 6 years that would indicate Gillispie causes his players to hate him, which is what happened to Doherty. (Doherty certainly did not help his cause by cold-shouldering some of the more moneyed boosters also)

Clyde can be short and border line rude with some of the media, and he works the hell out of his players, but that's what good coaches do.

His players seem to have great admiration for him. Legion and Mills may give you a different story, but one has to consider the source.

by Ken Howlett on Feb 21, 2008 12:41 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

Lucas Johnson At Illinois
His parents are friends of mine here.

Lucas REALLY LIKED Coach Gillispie when he played for him (as Illinois assistant).

He's tough, demanding, but worth it in the end.

by FortyYearCatFan on Feb 21, 2008 6:11 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

You are taking John Clay's word..
that Tipton did do sufficient due diligence?

John:  Jerry, did you research this sufficiently?

Jerry: Yes John, I did.

John:  OK.

Come on, John Clay emailing you and saying that is meaningless proves nothing.  It is bascially onesided hearsay.  You cant trust either of them.

by BeatUL on Feb 20, 2008 12:48 PM EST   0 recs

And..
we don't know what happened.  It is all one-sided and to use it to form an opinion of BCG is silly.  I laughed when I read the article; it is so insignificant.

by BeatUL on Feb 20, 2008 12:54 PM EST   0 recs

What we know ...
is half of the story.  We also can draw a reasonable conclusion that Gillispie lied to the media.

That isn't funny.

by Truzenzuzex on Feb 20, 2008 12:57 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

where's the lie?
i read the article a few times, and i couldn't find any comment from gillispie. not even a "we tried to contact the coach, but he has not responded back." so i'm not sure where the lie came from.

the only source here is mills, and while i'm sure he's a good kid, i'm not willing to take an 18-year-old's word after he just got kicked off.

i've got to give coach the benefit of the doubt here and i'm thinking he hasn't responded to this because he didn't think kicking a walk-on off the team was that big a deal. he may now after this story.

i'd also like to hear from anyone else from the program about this since the door was open for all to hear.

GO BIG BLUE!! GO BIG BLUE!!

by UKWildCatFanatic on Feb 20, 2008 3:06 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

I think
the lie being referred to is:
"Gillispie denied using profanity in meeting with Mills."

by kentuckygirl0724 on Feb 20, 2008 3:12 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

good call
totally glossed over that line...probably the way it was intended.

i also like the caption under dusty's pic: Dusty Mills said laughing during the Georgia game got him kicked off the team.

i highly doubt that is the only reason. even his HS school coach said he was squirrely.

GO BIG BLUE!! GO BIG BLUE!!

by UKWildCatFanatic on Feb 20, 2008 3:31 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

No that is not reasonable..
you choose who to believe but to say it is reasonable to assume he lied is just wrong.  But it is your damn blog so you can draw any unreasonable assumption you want.

by BeatUL on Feb 20, 2008 7:40 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Exactly ...
and it is reasonable, something you apparently know little about.

by Truzenzuzex on Feb 21, 2008 7:08 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

Funny,,,
you actually believe the media..  how naive.

by BeatUL on Feb 21, 2008 7:43 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Shades of BK
First of all, I have no idea if the reporting of this incident is factual, however, I would like for BCG to address this personally. He has to IMHO for recruiting.

Mills may not have been a valuable member of the team but he was a "member" of the team. He wore a UK uniform.

I want my coach to be tough but fair. We've all seen the act from one Robert Montgomery Knight & detested it for all these years. I don't want that kind of coach here.

So please Coach, give us your side of the story, please.

by Bluegilla on Feb 20, 2008 1:04 PM EST   0 recs

BCG
Tru,

Have I missed the boat?  From what I've read Clay seems to have some issues with BCG.  I still don't have unsettled feeling towards him, like somethings missing.  I'm just not comfortable yet.  How does everyone else feel?

by ncaamostwins on Feb 20, 2008 1:05 PM EST   0 recs

BCG
....still keeping an open mind. The jury's still out as far as I'm concerned. A lot of strange moves especially in the substitutions.

by Bluegilla on Feb 20, 2008 1:09 PM EST to parent up   0 recs