Tabloid Tipton article taken down?
Tipton is a negative ninny. We know this. But there are limits, and he may well have exceeded them with a recent article.
Matt Jones and some people over at TCP and around the Big Blue Nation have laid eyes on a Jerry Tipton article about Dusty Mills getting kicked off the team that painted Billy Gillispie in a very negative light. That article, as of this moment, is not anywhere on the Herald-Leader's pages, but it can still be read here. However, following the breadcrumbs leads to a blank page.
Perhaps it's just an oversight or a programming error by the IT staff over at the H-L, who knows? As to the substance of the article, it paints Billy Gillispie as essentially a dominating liar who won't even consider reason for one second, just his own private power trip. It is disturbing in the extreme.
I won't pretend to know what happened here. Kids tell tall tales, especially kids who feel they were wronged. But in my opinion, this article requires some kind of response from the coaching staff. Nobody can tell Gillispie how to run his team, but this is one of those unfortunate things that can't be pushed under the rug. It directly impugns Gillispie's character in a way that will be used against Kentucky by other programs, and casts the University in a poor light.
There is no way Tipton should have printed this article without doing more legwork. This, in my opinion, is tabloid reporting at its worst, giving only one side of the story and doing so in such a way as to tarnish the reputation of the Kentucky coach. It is shameful, and disturbing. Unfortunately, it now requires an explanation from either Tipton or Gillispie or both. I don't want to make a mountain out of a molehill, but the mole that made this one must have been of the Jurassic Park variety.

Update [2008-2-20 10:15:53 by Truzenzuzex]:: John Clay just emailed me and assured me that this article has not been pulled. It is apparently now where it is supposed to be.
John also said that Tipton did do his legwork on the article, and Gillispie just chose a limited reponse. Unfortunately, given all this, we must all draw our own conclusions, at least for now.
My conclusion is this: Gillispie looks like a bully. No frills, just the way I see it, and if this is all we get, it lowers my opinion of Gillispie significantly.
I'm all about supporting our coach, but the latin proverb goes, "Qui tacet consentire videtur." He who is silent is understood to consent. So be it. My opinion of Tipton is also significantly lower. The article, however well researched, is written from such a one-sided perspective that it has the look and feel of a political hit piece. Burying comments from the coach under a fusillade of incriminating quotes from Mills is just unacceptable.
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Sounds Fake
I don't know...... seems fishy to me.
by blueninja on Feb 20, 2008 8:58 AM EST 0 recs
And Bradley
by blueninja on
Feb 20, 2008 9:00 AM EST
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Tabloid Tipton
by rick64 on Feb 20, 2008 9:10 AM EST 0 recs
How could this be?
by bluegrassgal on Feb 20, 2008 9:18 AM EST 0 recs
It isn't fake ...
I agree that this looks bad, but the article is so one-sided that it constitutes virtual fiction. My experience is that there is always way more to it than one young man would ever tell, and to bury any possible explanation or rebuttal in an avalanche of accusations is a smear worthy of a political party.
Tipton should be disciplined for this, IMHO. It was wrong, and nobody can convince me otherwise. He is entitled to his opinion, but this is simply a hit piece that belongs in the opinion section instead of being reported as news.
by Truzenzuzex on
Feb 20, 2008 9:29 AM EST
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I'd rather know
At some points, bullies need to be reigned in. And I think the press is a very necessary check and balance against what is basically a dictatorship. Of course these are really trivial matters in the grand scheme of things, whether a walk-on basketball player gets yelled at and booted from the team for making jokes at inappropriate times. Sticks and stones and all that. But the check is still needed in our little microcosm.
That said, if Gillespie really did verbally abuse the kid, I'm very disappointed by his behavior. That's just not the kind of example we need to be setting for our youth. If he just let a swear word fly here or there and it's just being blown out of proportion... I say no big deal.
I think the best thing to do is just take this with a grain of salt and file it away. If these reports start to really accumulate (I'd say we have one from Mills, Legion, and perhaps Benson now), it becomes definitely something to look into further.
by EEWildcat on
Feb 20, 2008 10:59 AM EST
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Good points.
Still, it is disconcerting. It isn't good for the program, but hopefully it won't be repeated.
by Truzenzuzex on
Feb 20, 2008 11:03 AM EST
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HUH?
by davw83 on Feb 20, 2008 9:18 AM EST 0 recs
Ummm?
Add the fact that its a Tipton story and I don't get it.
by sylvar on Feb 20, 2008 9:58 AM EST 0 recs
Anyone ...
He had a right to kick Mills off the team because he didn't comb his hair right, as far as I am concerned. But refusing to give the kid a chance to defend his actions, bitching him out the way he was alleged to have done, and using profanity and then lying about that factto Tipton is wrong, looks bad on Gillispe and looks damn bad on the University.
Bottom line -- if this is how he handles the least of players, who would want to trust him with their children's future? How you treat the little guy speaks volumes about your character, and this does not speak well of Gillispies, if true as written. It is fait accompli that he would not treat a scholarship player this way, despite several past assurances that he treats everyone the same.
by Truzenzuzex on
Feb 20, 2008 10:23 AM EST
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You first complain of a lack of objectivity...
Silence can also say that this truly was a non issue and he gives two craps about what a kid wants to go say. Do you seriously think BCG is a saint? Have you been to games close enough to the bench to hear him (or Ricky P, or Billy D, or 90% of coaches) More often than not, it is advisable to not respond or even acknowledge an attack like this in the media.
I choose to look at what Tip was able to give us in, however thin, objectivity:
- - BCG left the door open (which could be as Mills paints it that he wanted to make....OOOOO....an example of him, OR did he know something about this kid and wanted to make sure there were witnesses to the firing as I would do at my company)
- - BCG invited him to go to the press
- - That short but VERY telling exchange with the high school coach who basically described a borderline A.D.D. class clown that doesn't pay attention, distracts others and can give disrespectful signals to a coach. Say, maybe Dicky Lyons should have been brought in to work with him. Oh, that's right, HE IS A WALK-ON living on borrowed time anyway. If a walk-on is poisoning the well of guys we the tax payers are supporting then he must go.
If Alex Legion's neg-press has blown over then this walk-on will too. If the words of a "Profit" were fleshed out to be BS I think BCG can weather this storm.
If BCG has a pair big enough to actually be a "real" hardass then so be it. The results will be grand. Kick more off if you want Billy. Looks like you are over recruiting anyway so you need the chairs and sneakers. Also, Mills may just have a real nugget to carry with him as he grows up and hits the job world.
Not worried.
by wilson452 on
Feb 20, 2008 10:47 AM EST
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Good comment ...
If Gillispie is playing mind games with Mills, that's fine, but personally, I find it an unsavory game.
I don't ask that our coach be a saint, and I don't take the word of Mills as objective fact. What I am saying is that, absent a meaningful response from Gillispie, I can't just discount what Mills says because he is young and because his former high school coach says he is sometimes a cut-up. That would be just as jaded as the alternative.
The biggest problem I have with this is the likelihood that Gillispie lied to Tipton. As you say, we don't pay Coach to be a saint, and we know perfectly well that 90% of college coaches use salty language to their charges. So Gillispie expects us to just take his word against Mills much more detailed account that he didn't swear during a tirade like that? I was born at night, but not last night.
So why dissemble? Why not give, or leak, more of a complete account of what happened? It doesn't add up to me.
By the way, the ends don't always justify the means. Let's not fall into that trap. There is more to being a coach than just on-court success. If you want detail, just ask Bobby Knight.
by Truzenzuzex on
Feb 20, 2008 10:58 AM EST
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Well...
Any other timed response and the amount of guns that may be needed to successfully satisfy what seems like a very rooted feeling you now have and many may have, could easily end up with "Big bad UK destroying the confidence and reputation of a KID!" because the paperwork, coaches statements etc. could be shot out in rapid fire if needed. If we "ran off a coach for being black" then what would make you think this would not blow this up to national attention.
If what Mills said is 100% true then BCG was 100% false. The middle may be where it sits and to get that out in detail would absolutely embarrass Mills and his family. This incident just may have a nugget for BCG to carry with him too as he continues to learn the off-court trappings of being UK's coach and he and Mitch can hash that out in private, where the Mills story was until Mills went to the press.
Tru, I am not willing to trade on-court success for off-court shame but I am not sure where playing an issue like this out in detail, in public eye is best for Mills, BCG, UK, us or anyone. As of now I am sure that all of the lessons to learn for those actually involved have been set in their minds regardless of statements made in the press.
For the heck of it, another point to take from the article - telling Mills to take his complaint to some other small school could be taken as BCG's disrespect for Mills OR Mills' disrespect for playing at UK and BCG was tired of it. Either way, don't paint his lack of natural basketball skill or being a walk-on as he is weak or small. If this were a star and being a distraction the BBN would be all over him and saying BCG did the right thing no matter what. Uof L would still want Character on the team but that is their deal.
I just happen to see this as a small story between a coach and player and now a PR nightmare for UK. I am glad I do not have that account today. My biggest worry is where to eat lunch.
by wilson452 on
Feb 20, 2008 11:48 AM EST
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Your recommendation ...
I agree that Mills' story is unlikely to be 100% true. Eyewitnesses are the least reliable in criminal trials, even eyewitnesses who are the object of the offense. In my opinion, the only part of Gillispie's comment that was false was his denial about swearing -- I don't believe him.
It is probably not a huge thing, but it is a concern for me. I don't want the coach of my favorite team treating kids like this, even if he deserved it. It isn't necessary to berate someone you are punishing with dismissal. The dismissal says all that needs to be said. If you don't want to hear his defense, just send him packing or refuse to speak to him. Verbally bludgeoning someone you intend to or have dismiss[ed] serves no purpose.
I'm not all that worried about it, and I can certainly forgive him for it. It just isn't a positive development, and I think it was bad behavior by the coach. But we are all guilty of bad behavior occasionally, aren't we? I know I am, and my wife makes sure I hear about it.
:-)
Wives are often like that.
by Truzenzuzex on
Feb 20, 2008 12:55 PM EST
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Careful, Tru. . .
by NYCCats on
Feb 20, 2008 11:05 AM EST
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Well ...
We have the word of a young man who was most assuredly there, and we have crickets from the accused, as well as a very likely lie.
Big difference.
by Truzenzuzex on
Feb 20, 2008 11:24 AM EST
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Two sides to every story..........
by Chuck Alexinis on
Feb 20, 2008 6:44 PM EST
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Consider, though,. . .
by NYCCats on Feb 20, 2008 10:43 AM EST 0 recs
That helps some...
by kentuckygirl0724 on
Feb 20, 2008 10:53 AM EST
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The victory cigar ...
:-)
by Truzenzuzex on
Feb 20, 2008 11:00 AM EST
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He is. . .
by NYCCats on
Feb 20, 2008 11:03 AM EST
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Really....
Now, lets try to look objectively at this as you seem to be pretty fired up over this. Bully...that's a pretty strong word. Was Rupp a bully? Or Pitino? Seems to me they would be by your definition...As would Coach Brooks. To say that being a demanding leader is somehow makes you incapable of being trusted with someone's children...Again, very strong language. Where would the Marine Corp be without demanding leadership?
Is your main issue the fact that Dusty claims he didn't get a chance to explain himself? With all the publicity around his making the team I saw more than one quote in the media that made it clear that he had to toe the line to stay on the team ("Walk-ons are day to day", "I have a zero tolerance policy with walk-ons" and such)...I am sure it was even clearer to him. Let me give an example. I have had to release people who where hired on a 90 day probation period...most times that's just awkward, but calm...it didn't work out. But sometimes a constant barrage of minor infractions explodes in the face of a larger one...not a major infraction mind you..one that would have normally just gotten a reprimand. Does that make me a Bully? I don't think so...the ground rules were laid... I didn't need to hear the excuses.
I wish I had the time right now to flesh out my thoughts on this, but I don't. I just hope you can understand where I am coming from on this topic.
by sylvar on Feb 20, 2008 11:05 AM EST 0 recs
I have no idea ...
None of those worthies has anything to do with the instant case, anyway. Leaders do not do what Mills described. But absent any other facts, we can only draw conclusions that require Mills to be dishonest or simply misremembering the events. I rather doubt the latter, and I also doubt the former.
I have two main issues -- One is that Mills was allegedly simply abused by Gillispie, both verbally and psychologically. That's wrong, no matter what. Whether he had granted him an explanation or not is a symptom of the problem, not the problem itself. The second is that Gillispie denied using harsh language, and Mills explicitly refuted that. I would bet my entire checking account that Mills was accurate on that account. In my mind, that diminishes Gillispie's credibility and enhances Mills'.
Let me ask you this -- have you ever berated an employee, and in the process, refused to allow him/her an opportunity to defend his/her actions and then fired them? I seriously doubt it, to your credit. A "zero tolerance" policy does not give a person the right to abuse a subordinate who fails that policy, ever. Gillispie was well within his right to dismiss him, and I have no truck with that whatsoever. It was how it was done, and the dissembling afterward, that make me unhappy.
by Truzenzuzex on
Feb 20, 2008 11:20 AM EST
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Other coachs
I was on campus while Pitino was there...Had an inside buddy at the time. This was 90 - 91. I heard plenty of tales about how hard Pitino could be on the guys... He was never one to watch his language, but he was more of a mind game player from what I could tell..... Hell, OTS wasn't exactly known for being Mr. Nice Guy as a coach. Remember all the whining you would here about Tubby breaking out the "glare" on somebody.
As for Papa Brooks, All I can rely on is interviews with former players. Much like Rupp, they say they have the utmost respect for him, but get on his bad side and you'll get a new orifice. I could read lips well enough during this last season to know he has a broad vocabulary as well.
by sylvar on
Feb 20, 2008 8:03 PM EST
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Rupp, Life Ain't Fair
Laughing on the bench when someone is hurt or when you're losing by forty is not acceptable to Gillispie. Excuses don't matter. Earlier in the year Bradley and Crawford were benched for the first half of a game. They sat there and laughed while the team was losing. They're still on the team. Life ain't fair. Better players get more slack. Gillispie sent a message, nonsense will not be tolerated, at least not by the Dusty Mills of the world. Life ain't fair.
by 58Fan on
Feb 21, 2008 5:01 PM EST
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Tabloid Tru
You really should stick to what you're good at, which is exhaustive statistical analysis and posting links. At least KSR is still free.
by funkadelic on Feb 20, 2008 11:08 AM EST 0 recs
That
by kentuckygirl0724 on
Feb 20, 2008 11:17 AM EST
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Your opinion ...
REEEEEJected! Just kidding. Thanks for reading.
:-)
by Truzenzuzex on
Feb 20, 2008 11:22 AM EST
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WOW Hold on..
Tru has opinions and he lets them out. We all pile on of back them up.
Do you have anythign to add to the conversation of just a rip of the site and Tru?
by wilson452 on
Feb 20, 2008 12:05 PM EST
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What is the big deal?
by cdnWildcatfan on Feb 20, 2008 11:18 AM EST 0 recs
Worried
On a positive note JB Holmes meets Tiger in the Accenture World Match Play. Tee time is 2:02 on the Golf Channel. Coverage begins at 2:00. Good luck JB.
by modcpa on Feb 20, 2008 11:21 AM EST 0 recs
I don't get the finger wagging
by olddoc on Feb 20, 2008 11:29 AM EST 0 recs
Fair enough ...
CEO's don't do this to people, otherwise they wind up as a defendant in a lawsuit. As I have said more than once, Gillispie owes his charges more respect than he allegedly gave to Mills, regardless of their status. Second, I think Gillispie lied. I don't like lies. Lying about little things make me wonder about the big ones. Gratuitous lies are the worst.
Maybe you don't care. That is certainly and unquestionably your right. I do.
by Truzenzuzex on
Feb 20, 2008 12:45 PM EST
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true enough about lying
by cdnWildcatfan on
Feb 20, 2008 4:49 PM EST
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Bunk ...
The kid is part of the team, and we have no idea is this is infraction number 213 or number one, and something tells me the coach is hardly going to go to such lengths for a single issue.
And even if he did, playing for the Cats is a priviledge, as even Mills acknowledges.
Tipton gets major raspberries for telling this the way he did, and it only adds to the growing and increasingly accurate, it would seem, impression that he is at heart a journalistic antagonist, whose desire to stir the pot exceeds his desire to do his job, which is report on the team.
If he was reporting on the team, he'd report the facts, not add so many colorful frills.
Frankly, I have to agree with olddoc ... not sure why this is even remotely an issue, be it a walk on or a star senior.
So Billy G is "hard-nosed" when it's Crawford, but he's a "bully" when it's a non-playing walk-on?
Can't have it both ways.
The Online home of Big Blue Nation ...
by JL Blue on Feb 20, 2008 11:37 AM EST 0 recs
All you say ...
A walk-on Mills may be have been, and a privilege it may be, but that doesn't excuse bad behavior on the part of the coach. He should know better. He should do better. And as he is in the public fishbowl at Kentucky, I expect better, or at least something more than what he gave. It looks as if I won't be getting that. Fine, I'll forgive him and move on, and hope we never have to have this discussion again.
I haven't tried to have it both ways. I have no idea how Gillispie has treated Crawford, only the word of others that he has been tougher on him than Smith apparently was. Did that include a rude, abusive dismissal from the team without a chance to defend himself? I'm thinking not.
by Truzenzuzex on
Feb 20, 2008 12:42 PM EST
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Insult to Injury
It's one thing if you're being tough because they are undisciplined and need it, and breaking someone down so you can build them back up later. It's another thing to destroy someone as you're kicking them out, with no chance of building them back up.
To me, "you're not taking the game seriously and you're dragging the team down with you. You're cut. Goodbye." gets the message across just as well.
by EEWildcat on
Feb 20, 2008 1:52 PM EST
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Agreed.
by Truzenzuzex on
Feb 20, 2008 1:57 PM EST
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My point above...
We've all played sports and been yelled at. We've all worked for demanding bosses who were less than cordial. Those of us who are in supervisory positions have all had to fire people, and when we did... they didn't need to explain themselves.
I have no concern about why Gillispie dropped the kid or how. As long as he keeps winning ball games without a whiff of NCAA scandal, I'm okay with how he runs the program. If that means booting a non-contributor who may have been a distraction, then I'm certainly alright with that.
by chirop1 on Feb 20, 2008 11:39 AM EST 0 recs
........I can see this point.....
by Chuck Alexinis on
Feb 20, 2008 6:48 PM EST
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The problem here is...
Of course, the argument moves to that side. In experience, the truth is almost always somewhere in the middle. And if so, it's (almost) a non-issue, IMO.
by Clandestine on Feb 20, 2008 11:40 AM EST 0 recs
BCG a Bully?
Best of luck. I hope BCG is not the a$$hole the article suggests.
by Ford Prefect on Feb 20, 2008 11:57 AM EST 0 recs
And while we're at it
by NYCCats on
Feb 20, 2008 12:07 PM EST
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He may be an a$$hole ...
I have no idea about Doherty, just as I don't know what Rupp or Pitino or Brooks do to their players.
If this is symptomatic of some sort of "dysfunctional personality," there will certainly be more reports than just this one. I am not standing in judgment here, except with respect to the instant case. Maybe he had a bad day, or maybe the kid had been given 25 chances against Gillispie's better judgment. But because Coach has decided not to enlighten us, we must draw conclusions with what we have.
My conclusion is that it was bad behavior, hopefully a one-time thing. It's ugly, but it doesn't look that serious in the larger context. After the firestorm dies down, I'm inclined to forget about it and move on.
by Truzenzuzex on
Feb 20, 2008 12:29 PM EST
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Transgression?
by BeatUL on
Feb 20, 2008 12:55 PM EST
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UNC
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Feb 20, 2008 5:47 PM EST
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Doherty
There is something to be said for adapting, though. A coach has to recognize this fact, and possibly reevaluate his/her technique.
Comparing Gillispie to Doherty though, is veeeeeeery premature. Gillispie has been a head coach of for 6 years now, and there has not been an incident in those 6 years that would indicate Gillispie causes his players to hate him, which is what happened to Doherty. (Doherty certainly did not help his cause by cold-shouldering some of the more moneyed boosters also)
Clyde can be short and border line rude with some of the media, and he works the hell out of his players, but that's what good coaches do.
His players seem to have great admiration for him. Legion and Mills may give you a different story, but one has to consider the source.
by Ken Howlett on
Feb 21, 2008 12:41 AM EST
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Lucas Johnson At Illinois
Lucas REALLY LIKED Coach Gillispie when he played for him (as Illinois assistant).
He's tough, demanding, but worth it in the end.
by FortyYearCatFan on
Feb 21, 2008 6:11 AM EST
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You are taking John Clay's word..
John: Jerry, did you research this sufficiently?
Jerry: Yes John, I did.
John: OK.
Come on, John Clay emailing you and saying that is meaningless proves nothing. It is bascially onesided hearsay. You cant trust either of them.
by BeatUL on Feb 20, 2008 12:48 PM EST 0 recs
And..
by BeatUL on Feb 20, 2008 12:54 PM EST 0 recs
What we know ...
That isn't funny.
by Truzenzuzex on
Feb 20, 2008 12:57 PM EST
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where's the lie?
the only source here is mills, and while i'm sure he's a good kid, i'm not willing to take an 18-year-old's word after he just got kicked off.
i've got to give coach the benefit of the doubt here and i'm thinking he hasn't responded to this because he didn't think kicking a walk-on off the team was that big a deal. he may now after this story.
i'd also like to hear from anyone else from the program about this since the door was open for all to hear.
by UKWildCatFanatic on
Feb 20, 2008 3:06 PM EST
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I think
"Gillispie denied using profanity in meeting with Mills."
by kentuckygirl0724 on
Feb 20, 2008 3:12 PM EST
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good call
i also like the caption under dusty's pic: Dusty Mills said laughing during the Georgia game got him kicked off the team.
i highly doubt that is the only reason. even his HS school coach said he was squirrely.
by UKWildCatFanatic on
Feb 20, 2008 3:31 PM EST
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No that is not reasonable..
by BeatUL on
Feb 20, 2008 7:40 PM EST
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Exactly ...
by Truzenzuzex on
Feb 21, 2008 7:08 AM EST
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Funny,,,
by BeatUL on
Feb 21, 2008 7:43 PM EST
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Shades of BK
Mills may not have been a valuable member of the team but he was a "member" of the team. He wore a UK uniform.
I want my coach to be tough but fair. We've all seen the act from one Robert Montgomery Knight & detested it for all these years. I don't want that kind of coach here.
So please Coach, give us your side of the story, please.
by Bluegilla on Feb 20, 2008 1:04 PM EST 0 recs
BCG
Have I missed the boat? From what I've read Clay seems to have some issues with BCG. I still don't have unsettled feeling towards him, like somethings missing. I'm just not comfortable yet. How does everyone else feel?
by ncaamostwins on Feb 20, 2008 1:05 PM EST 0 recs
BCG
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